Why do white people tend to freak out when the conversation moves to being about race?
i just read an excellent interview article online that spoke into some of the things i have been thinking and observing and while it is worth reading the whole thing, there are two aspects i wanted to dive into. Robin DiAngelo [who is being interviewed and is white and runs workshops on anti-racism and has been for more than twenty years] introduces the term ‘White Fragility’ as something she has noticed again and again. One reason she gives for this is the idea we tend to have that ‘Only bad or racist people can be racist’ as opposed to the possibility that a good person can still have some racism in them. It’s not the black and white [ha!] of Complete Racist or No Racism Whatsoever. As a white person, the likelihood is that i am racist in some way or ways [i see it in myself and it’s horrible and needs to be tackled every time] but the question is ‘To What Extent?’
For white people, their identities rest on the idea of racism as about good or bad people, about moral or immoral singular acts, and if we’re good, moral people we can’t be racist – we don’t engage in those acts. This is one of the most effective adaptations of racism over time—that we can think of racism as only something that individuals either are or are not “doing.”
In large part, white fragility—the defensiveness, the fear of conflict—is rooted in this good/bad binary. If you call someone out, they think to themselves, “What you just said was that I am a bad person, and that is intolerable to me.” It’s a deep challenge to the core of our identity as good, moral people. [Robin DiAngelo, professor of multicultural education at Westfield State University and author of What Does it Mean to Be White? Developing White Racial Literacy]
Many white people tend to be a little iffy around race conversation in general, but it tends to be when you bring up the term ‘White Privilege’ that so many of them suddenly get a little “shaky”. i believe that for the most part it’s not understanding what many of us are talking about when we talk about ‘White Privilege’ that causes some of the issue. i think the term has become one of those overused ones that for many people is instant red cloth waved to a bull. If we managed to get some of the people who react so strongly around a dinner table and explain what we are talking about when we talk ‘white privilege’ i believe that for the most part people would be nodding their heads, going, “Oh, well yeah of course.”
White fragility also comes from a deep sense of entitlement. Think about it like this: from the time I opened my eyes, I have been told that as a white person, I am superior to people of color. There’s never been a space in which I have not been receiving that message. From what hospital I was allowed to be born in, to how my mother was treated by the staff, to who owned the hospital, to who cleaned the rooms and took out the garbage. We are born into a racial hierarchy, and every interaction with media and culture confirms it—our sense that, at a fundamental level, we are superior.
And, the thing is, it feels good. Even though it contradicts our most basic principles and values. So we know it, but we can never admit it. It creates this kind of dangerous internal stew that gets enacted externally in our interactions with people of color, and is crazy-making for people of color. We have set the world up to preserve that internal sense of superiority and also resist challenges to it. All while denying that anything is going on and insisting that race is meaningless to us. [Robin DiAngelo]
Wow. DiAngelo nails it on the head. i would love to participate in one of her race workshops.
One thing that helps me think i might be right on the whole direction of where these race conversations have been going on my blog and on Facebook and beyond is the posture. The kinds of people that are saying the same kind of things i am saying or engaging positively in those conversations tend to come with a sense of question, of listening, of being open to learn, of saying things like, ‘Well i don’t know what the answers are but i know we have to do things differently’, of being open to being wrong or needing to change within themselves, of moving away from comfort if necessary, of the possibilities of sacrifice. And more.
Whereas, typically, those people who are arguing against what we are saying and the process are judgemental and accusatory, they say it how it is [as opposed to asking questions, listening, being open to see wrong in themselves], they make personal attacks, they leave ultimatums [“i dare you to post this comment else it proves you’re a liberal doos” or whatever], use Us vs. Them language [“those people”, “the blacks”…], ridicule, talk about how they earned their money and deserve to spend it on themselves, and speak quite negatively about where the country is headed.
If someone disagrees strongly with me and i can see they’ve taken time to listen and hear what i am saying and have formulated an argument based on facts, or sensible ideas, or reasoning, and if they treat me with respect despite strong disagreemnet, and if they argue the issue as opposed to making it personal whether it be about me or other people, then i am far more likely to engage with them further and see if maybe i have something to learn from them even if i disagree with them. And that is what i hope to see more of on here – strong disagreements, back and forth wrestling, passionate arguments on both sides of the conversation – but done with respect, empathy, love, appreciation of the other person’s story and more.
If only we weren’t all so fragile, maybe we could see these conversations move forwards…
[To see some of the posts we put together on ‘White Privilege’ click here]




I for one feel really sorry for blacks. Nowhere on earth have they made it. It’s similar to wildlife, they can’t seem to make it in the new world. I help elephants in Krueger Park and you often see them outgrowing the park. It’s very sad. Sometimes blacks remind me of this in Africa. Whites have to look after blacks as we have done a lot to take land from them.
Have you ever seen how blacks treat animals? Look at Rwanda hiw they massacre intelligent gorillas. These are almost human. Our genes are 99 percent the same. Ask blacks why they kill these creatures and they will say they are inferior. Look at the genocide there… Hutus killing tsutsis. One million. Why did they kill them. It was not whites to blame. Blacks are just as opportunistic as whites. Just as warlike if not more. Why did whites all the time?
Ric, white hunters taking selfies with their animal trophies and do you really want me to list white people responsible for killing thousands of others, starting with Adolph Hitler and working down from there? It is easy to be selective with your data and make it look like something is one way when clearly the real truth is that it is mankind that is messed up and not just one particular hue of it. Stop making this Us vs. Them and let’s honestly look at how we, all of us, can start living a lot better with each other and with the planet we are on…
Whites help blacks more than blacks help each other. Think about it. Haiti. A place run by blacks. Who helped when disaster stuck? Whites.
Um, okay. Cape Town fires the other week. Who helped the largely white-affected areas? Whites. And black people. And colored people. And others. Really just people helping people. Which is what we need to move more towards.
I heard from trusted pastor friend of mine that Rwanda became the first country to have no orphans several years ago. That is a black community choosing a restorative narrative moving forward that the rest of the world, including this white guy, can learn from!
Thanks for stopping by, Mike. I wonder if you can explain a little more what you mean by “making it”
I think making it is to be able to support yourself, be educated, be healthy, support your family.
It is hard to scroll down, past the moronic comment universe, to post my own comment, but here goes, finally. Why are we all so preoccupied with creating a safe space for white people to own up to their racism (even if it is only a little racism), or for them to acknowledge that black people have had to negotiate a totally different challenge of staying alive (even if it is just transport), or to understand that white privilege is a non-negotiable, fixed idea? Why are we always looking for ways to make it easier for white people to do and feel things? It just perpetuates the problem. Sometimes, and I see it reflected in the vileness of comment sections, it feels like white people are just waiting for a moment to assert their miserable, racist superiority fixations.
Prof DiAngelo is wrong on at least 2 levels (in light of the quotes posted):
i) The 1st quote you posted are based on her premise of “…our identity as good, moral people.” Romans 3 teaches us that no one is good.
ii) The second quote suggests that all white people (I assume she refers to those whites that suffer from a white superiority complex and not “all” white people) has been conditioned into their belief by subtle indoctrination. However, the bible teaches that we are born into a dispensation to hate our brother because of the sin of Adam. Not only black people but even God. We rebel and fight against a Holy God.
Racism is another sin that can only be dealt with by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I think that apart from Jesus, fighting racism is akin to handing out water without a gospel message; you are just feeding a temporary thirst but not quenching the thirst in your soul.
hi brett, i live in zim, the race issue is sensitive here, we all lose when we see colour first. there is no winner in the race game. let me just illustrate a few things to the Somewhat-trollish ric, first of all i am white and have been in zim throughout all the trials and issues it has had over the last thirty years. white friends of mine have been killed by black farm invaders, bound with barbed wire and dragged behind vehicles, it was in the news at the time that it happened. What the news also showed was that other white farmers came to their aid and stood together. what the news didnt show was that many of their BLACK farm workers stood up for them too, friends of mine had their farm attacked and their workers resisted the attackers long enough for the farmer and his family to escape, some of the workers who did this were killed as a result. what they showed was humanity and heroism, in the same way some of the white farmers stood up for their black workers and refused to leave simply so their workers could get out before them. they saw each other as people before being people of any color, without any deluded sense of genetic or economic superiority. they treated each other with Humanity. I have had as many, if not more, black friends be victims of the anti white propaganda of the government as the white friends i have be affected. I have the privilege of helping people as part of my work, black and white and colored. and even though i work in a politcal and racial hotspot it seems as though people dont change much if you look past their skin, their needs and desires are basically the same, the outworking of those things is purely an expression of their life experience up to and including that point. you cannot expect people of any sort to change if you are not prepared to do so yourself, your thoughts at this point merely perpetuate the sense of division that you perceive without allowing any margin for individuality, including your own. in essence you are part of the problem, try being part of the solution.
Ah Robert, thank you so much. These are stories we need to hear more of – please drop me an email at brettfish@hotmail.com cos more people need to be made aware of these stories that are happening more often than we hear about. Thank you so much for stopping by. Love and strength and thank you for your commitment there! Love Brett fish