‘My dad always used to say, “Fight fire with fire” which is why he got thrown out of the fire brigade.’ [Harry Hill]
Yesterday, i posted this as my status on Facebook:
What is happening with the fires sweeping across Cape Town is a tragedy and worth attention, mobilisation and investment and it’s been incredible watching Cape Town rise to the occasion. i think it is also important to reflect, even for just a minute, on what our response has been on numerous occasions in the past where serious shack settlement fires have happened and many have been killed, because the fact that they seem very different, i feel, has a lot to say to us about us. [Not talking either/or, but both/and]. Discuss.
Naturally the internet exploded [well, not quite, but we did get some lively discussion going and one unfriend and some Taylor Swift therapy followed]:
Shortly after that we attended the Ron Sider meeting at the Warehouse that i shared some thoughts from yesterday and bumped into my friend Craig Stewart [who runs the Warehouse] and he was just about to jump on and share some thoughts on my status. But instead, he offered them to me to stick up here and this is an incredibly helpful perspective.
Brett and a few other friends of mine posted comments over the last few days expressing frustration at the apparent disconnect, on social media at least, between the responses of people in Cape Town to the current fires blazing all around us and the regular fires that destroy homes, livelihoods and people a few times a month each summer in Cape Town.
Whilst I recognise the tension I haven’t found myself particularly affected by it. This is even though I consider myself someone who cares pretty passionately about people who are poor and the historic and current injustices of our country.
This is partially because I think there may well be a false equivalency between the fires but its also because I’ve been involved over the last couple of years in a city wide church based disaster response network under the banner of the Consultation of Christian Churches in Cape Town. In this role I’ve engaged with all of the larger fire disasters in the City over the last few years and a fair number of other ones. In each case there was a good response, even sometimes an overwhelming response.
For the most part the fire department, disaster management and civil society respond well and effectively to these fires and the crises are addressed quickly and effectively.
As is the case with mountain fires often the societal response is more rooted in what we think is needed rather than what is actually needed and that can create problems of its own. Just ask the Cape Town fire department about the huge amounts of donated clothing lying in warehouse because it can’t be used anywhere.
But my experience is that for significant fires and floods affecting people across this city, the people of this city are willing to sacrificially work and donate to resolve the crisis. But then we get on with our lives and forget about the every day disasters of people’s daily lives in this city. Once we’ve got people back to the awful reality of day to day life we move on.
The problem of course is that for a disaster response to be effective it should be rapid, appropriate and short lived but the disaster of everyday life is going to take much more than that. What would it take for us to sustain a sacrificial, coordinated, all hands on deck effort over the next few decades that would see us dramatically change the face of this city and nation?
In moments of disaster we put aside expectations, entitlements and comforts and we stare the situation in the face and deal with it. Our current reality will require such an effort but we will need to sustain it.
When a fynbos mountain burns it is part of the cycle of life of that mountain. And the burning itself initiates growth and sprouting and life that has being lying dormant for many years. Life will explode across the mountains over the next few months. We need a fire like that to burn through this city – a justice revival fire perhaps.
The shack fires are caused by the shack dwellers. They should maybe go back to the EC? It is illegal to build shacks on open land.
The vynbos and mountain affects tourism which brings in more money to CT…
Productive (tourism) vs non-productive (shacks).
Simple answer, truth! 😉
I think it may be a good bit more complicated than that.
Sorry, just get annoyed as we are all working hard and struggling. Then we get told we must give up more… white privilege this…
Go look at how wealthy many blacks are. It is black privilege now!
I hear you, Viv, these are tough times for many people. But I disagree with you that it is black privilege now – one drive to the airport and a glance to the right shows you that for the most part there is a long way to go before we are there. But hopefully we can move together.
BEE, AA Patrice Motsepe with his R30 billion, Cyril with his R10 billion. Go to Joburg airport and watch how many blacks leave there in Mercs… Are you asleep? It is now black privilege!
Ten people vs A hundred thousand? You may need to give your glasses a wipe, my friend. The majority of black people are not those who you speak of.
Brett, I love and appreciate the manner in which you engage with everyone on this blog and fb in general. You have this gift for drawing out the positive and discussion with Everyone and listening to others… Some of the generalizations people make are quite disturbing and it is clear to me that those who generalize have not walked in the shoes of the very people they are talking about…and making blanket statements about. Sad really. and these kinds of attitudes only add to and compound the challenges we face in our country…Attitudes that are rigid and set in their ways, due to bad experiences they have had with a few black people or a few general observations, and then they cast it as fact… “black privilege”, ‘they’ ‘us’ and ‘them’…
Thanks Ash, appreciate you stopping by and your kind words and yes we both completely dream of that time when ‘us’ ad ‘them’ can be thrown somewhere at the back of a cupboard and locked away for good – meaning to write on that sometime. But ja, as much grace and love as is possible but it’s not always easy…
I donated tinned food and old clothes last time there was a shack fire. Next time I donate bus rides back to the EC…
You’re a regular saint, Viv, or whatever your real name is…
I used to be… I donated whenever there were shack fires. I donated in winter… I donated to bergies… etc… etc… etc… over the years.
Then I was burgled… they stole most of my hard-earned stuff, laptop, microwave… basically cleaned me out and it took ages to get back to normal.
Then they burgled my car… took nothing, but just a broken window.
They continue to vote ANC which steals from us with taxes, vat, fuel levy, etolls etc… etc…
I figured they must enjoy living in shacks and being poor. Why should I help when they refuse to help themselves and want ANC?
Then I just stopped caring. Now I just help myself and friends and family…
Ah sorry Viv, that is a tough story and I am sorry for your experience. I got to sit and chat with two of my friends in Khayelitsha last night after giving them a ride home and they are both such excellent young men, give me great hope for our nation. Definitely can’t judge everyone by the one negative experience you had, or maybe more. I hope you will find it in your heart again to return to your generous ways because it sounds like you did some good stuff. Have a great day.
You’re a regular saint Brettfish or whatever your real name is…
What do you do about this? All this preaching, but what do you do? Please to pray-tell. You seem to be very privileged!
Ha, Fish is a nickname – my name is brett anderson but a lot of people call me “Fish” – my wife and i have just returned from being overseas in Americaland for three years working in low economy areas with non-profits [which my wife continues to do which brings in a salary which frees me up somewhat to write and speak at events – have a book i have just written on the church about to be published and i also work part-time with another NPO here]. In terms of what we do about this, because we have just returned after three years of absence we are trying to speak to a lot of people and see what is happening and watch and listen and mobilise others as well so that we know what the needs ae, where the pain is and so when action happens it happens well – we are also involved in some deep conversations between black and white and coloured people on the whole topic of reconciliation and race issue and trying to create spaces for healthy conversation there that leads to good action. We are definitely very privileged at the moment and are very grateful for that and want to use our privilege to help others who are not as much and also help others who are privileged realise the privilege we all have and the need for us to share and do what we can to assist those who are less so. One way we hope to use what we’ve been given is by hosting meals at our house where we bring diverse people together to really dig into these conversations that Facebook and blog comments don’t do justice to so that we can really hopefully begin to understand each other and the needs and work from there…
You must be quite wealthy to host dinners… lol
Absolutely. If you have a loaf of bread and a jug of water you can host a dinner… and we certainly have a lot more than that. The question i have is ‘Do you see yourself as wealthy?’
Yeah, he is a saint in all the wonderful and simple ways .. someone who lives what he writes about … and has earned huge amounts of respect and friendship from many who know him. Brett is someone who is privileged, acknowledges it, and uses his time, money, networks and self to bless, uplift, serve, listen to and love others. And no, he is not paying me to say that 🙂 Joining the dots between poverty and the gaps between so many in our society, and our history and current reality, is not for sissies or the ignorant .. and Brett, thankfully, is neither. I have learned alot from how he lives his life. I hope you get to have a coffee with him one day (or someone like him).
Why can’t we just be happy that the city came together to fight the fires?
We are SO happy the city came together to fight fires and want to see it more regularly when more people are affected.
The city always does come together for the fleeing people from the EC. But for how long can it be sustained?
Interesting, I live in the areas that the fires occur and also in close proximity to Masiphumelele and have seen the devastating impact that the fires cause in both areas. The challenge for me, has often been that you are (in the most part) dealing with people affected by fires who have means to repair, restore etc. in the main through short term insurance, versus those who in losing everything in a fire often also lose a livelihood – fear of going to work as someone may move onto the spot they have currently built on, and other complex social issues that this forum does not really give rise to discuss.
The issue of fundraising for the firefighters is complex, the huge sums of money donated by large corporates can be seen through the cynical eye of great marketing to the demographic who can afford to support them, or alternately as a means to improve the general firefighting service for everyone who lives here. Honestly I am undecided on which one I currently believe to be true.
I have a genuine hope that somehow we are able to harness this wonderful spirit of volunteerism into other spheres of our social responsibility. You bought food and drink for the firefighters – great now do the same for your local NGO. You donated money to the cause of the firefighters fantastic – now donate money to your local grassroots empowerment schemes. You volunteered to fight the fire phenomenal – now volunteer at your at that high school that needs a maths or science teacher.
We live in a phenomenal country and we really can change it, we need to draw this community to spirit we have seen into an all inclusive movement that desires change on every level and platform.
*apologies for punctuation issues 🙂
Wayne
Wow, some great thoughts there Wayne, thank you. Love this kind of thinking.
Hi, Wayne. i agree with you 100%. I think people get defensive over the issue because they think we’re trying to play one incident against another. No one is saying there is anything wrong with the response to the fire but the response is hopefully in an indication of how we as Capetonians will respond in the future when there are shack fires.
Shack dwellers should relocate to the Eastern Cape because of shack fires? Do you honestly believe that?
So German expats should relocate to Germany if their house in Cape Town burns down?
But wait… “It is illegal to build shacks on open land”.
Last time I checked, the majority of shack fires occur in the township areas of Khayelitsha, Dunoon etc. And last time I checked the shacks in these settlements are not deemed “illegal”.
Even if a shack fire does occur where a shack has been erected illegally, the solution is not for them to “go back to the EC”. That’s like telling a German expat to go back to Germany because their house burned down due to an illegal electrical installation…
I recall a time when people were relocated because we thought we knew where they belonged and their dwelling activities involved minor illegalities. This happened to involve in a suburb in Cape Town called “District Six”.
Viv, I believe it is an insult to me as a South African, to my fellow country-men and women and to your own intelligence that all you take out of Craig’s thoughtful piece above is that shack dwellers should “go back to the EC” because of the supposed cause of shack fires and the supposed legality of shack dwellings.
Viv, perhaps you should take a step back and actually suspend your biases (from wherever they come) and re-read the above article and hear what Craig is saying.
Or perhaps you should donate yourself a bus ride to the District Six museum.
Who must pay for all these shacks then? You?
I don’t want to be forced to pay with extra rates and taxes. They should go back to the areas where they voted ANC. Many are from the EC and they should go back as its an ANC area. No point voting ANC then running away…
If they rock up in CT then they are a burden to honest hard-working rate-payers…
Very simple.
Hi Viv.
I don’t want to come across as either confrontational or condescending towards you with regards to the issues you’ve raised but I would like to ask that you please consider the desperation of people who end up in Cape Town from other parts of the country and end up living in shacks. They came here because they hoped for a better life and many of them while living in shacks are actually sending money home for everybody else. It is not the hope of people who live in shacks to live off other people and to ride on the backs of tax payers.
Secondly, I would like you to consider the fact that, shacks, illegal or not, are still HOMES to the people who live in them, thus they are not less important than brick houses. Similarly, the belongs of people who live in shacks no less important than anyone else’s. So, that’s why it is important to have a conversation about the importance of helping people out.
I would like to appeal to you to please read Craig’s words with an open mind and consider the beauty us all coming together for the greater good. The issue of poverty (in this country and everywhere else) is a very complex one and the solutions therefore are also complex. This is why it is important for us to start having meaningful conversations about real transformation because putting people on a bus back home might be the easy solution for the province’s Human Settlements department and you, the hardworking tax payer, but it won’t make them less poor…
Thanks Busi, for continuing to engage. You rock.
The main point is that most middle-class do not want their hard-earned money taken to pay for those who do not work for whatever reason.
If I work and earn but a large portion of this is taken by government (ANC), then it is legal theft.
Basically grant recipients voting ANC who then take our money.
So why should I help them more? They don’t care about me, so why should I about them?
If they vote ANC, let them feel poverty… Maybe they will vote something else next time.
Viv, thank you for staying on the page. I can hear you are angry, maybe “over it” after being well intentioned when younger, yet you keep responding. If you think the poor of Cape Town are an economic burden, you might be overlooking the thousands of township dwellers contributing to this city’s development and economic activity every day as they try to eke out a living in low-paying, very essential jobs.
Anyway. I actually wanted to say: Thank you Craig for letting us know that from your perspective at least there is always a huge response to fire in Cape Town, not only when it’s in affluent /white areas. I’ve been really worried about that ever since the question started popping up (hypothetically, with no evidence) of how the response would be different if it were a shack fire. Point taken however that people donate what they think is needed… e.g. clothes when it might be building material (?) in shack fires… Which leads me to think about the massive social & media response and how they were able to amplify messages about what is NEEDED so that the right kind of giving could take place. In that sense I haven’t seen a shack fire get nearly as high a profile so I suspect there’s a communication element that could improve our response.
I absolutely agree that we need more sustained involvement to change structural problems… (there is so much work to be done in mentally empowering the affluent in our city to make the difference that they really can!) but I am grateful to hear that there is a big response to crisis no matter where it takes place.
“We live in a phenomenal country and we really can change it, we need to draw this community to spirit we have seen into an all inclusive movement that desires change on every level and platform.” – Wayne – absolutely (typos ignored and sentiment agreed with, lol)
As I always say – South Africa will never solve its problems as long as “ordinary” people think that it’s okay to mind their own business and live “normal” lives with jobs and kids and homes. If you can convince “ordinary” people that they need to do unusual things with their time and talents – reorient their lifestyle, not just once-off activities – then there will be profound change.
Sorry for the long post Brett. You know I’m a binge commenter.
Don’t apologise Cara, i love what you have to say and especially the bit about “normal” South Africans – i le the term “new normal” because that is what we need to aspire to – imagine if the response seen the last week or so became Capetonians New Normal for any kind of crisis that hit us? It would be an incredible page in our history…
I have been watching the efforts of Joe Public with regard to these fires quite closely and with interest. It has been incredible how noble everyone is – especially with all their selfies on FB with their donations. So noble and selfless to be able to make yourself feel better on FB. (sorry – but seriously! Does everyone on FB need to know that you delivered 5l of water to Lakeside?)I am sure that the fire fighters are incredibly grateful for all the donations. But – why are we so hell bent in rather donating supplies when they were asking for fuel money? What inside ourselves drives us to need to rather give things or our time rather than what is needed and asked for – in this case money (as Craig said)? There are many reasons. Suddenly, when it was a pledge rather than just a donation – money was thrown at it. Once again – our own need to be thanked.
The other part of this outpouring of giving is that it was mainly for volunteers! And then we all feel as if we should have been doing something. The VWS are not being paid, they are giving up their work time and family time to give to the mountain. that is truly noble and we feel inspired to help. Whereas the shack fires are not under the care of the Volunteer Wildfire Services – so the paid fire fighters of Cape Town are involved. To be honest – its still incredibly noble, but the public doesn’t see it quite the same way.
It would be incredible if we could slow down the outpouring of assistance and channel it better and broader and more sustainably. (and with less cynicism;-) ) We all need to let go of our egos in this.
Thanks for stopping by Chloe – i think your last line kicks us all a little in the teeth and is worth considering…
We always hear about whites helping whites, whites helping blacks… but when do we see blacks donating their money… or time to help whites?
If they have no money, but are sitting all day doing nothing, then why not help put the fires out, carry water and so on? Or clean up streets?
Why’s the onus always on whites to help poor blacks?
i definitely think it’s happening Viv and i imagine the answer to that question MAY lie in the people you are connected to – do you have friends from other races and cultures and share meals and stories with them? That is a great start to finding out what is going on in their worlds…
I definitely think whites are helping blacks… That would sound flakey to you hey? So why do you think your statement that blacks are helping whites sounds even more flakey (by your own standards)…???
Show us where blacks are helping whites… I want to hear stories about how blacks donated money, goods, blankets… or even time to help whites…
From a facebook friend, Lisa Welsh: Someone of that description arrived at Tokai community church with his SUV and opened the back. It was loaded with medical supplies etc that had been requested from the public. Oh. And many of the firemen are not white either!
from another facebook friend, Cristi Little: here’s an answer. when Hout bay was in flamesan and everything looked pretty doomed, many residents from the Izama yethu township asked how they could assist and offered their services in any capacity needed because I quote “its the least we can do because the people of hout bay always help us when there’s a fire in our comunity”
from yet another Facebook friend, Linda M: ‘Viv’ speaks of generosity in terms of ‘things’ and my heart ached for her — not knowing or recognising or experiencing the generosity of black people in terms of more than just things (although my personal experience is also of material generosity) — I have so many profound stories I don’t know where to start — of kindness, generosity, love, protection, warmth, open home, welcome of so many black and coloured people in South Africa. And I am not alone or unique … I feel sad for anyone not exposed to the kind of love and community that has been extended to those who are willing to cross the ‘lines’ that have kept people apart. I hope and pray and work towards a new reality for people like Viv.
Viv, you don’t have to give if you don’t want to. It is always optional. What you are talking about is a huge debate. And this fire had nothing to do with White privilege.
People who could- did. My issue is different – people gave what they WANTED to give, not necessarily what was NEEDED.
On the instance of the shack fires – I think it is usually a smaller collective in giving and much more personal. Pick and Pay collects etc, but also – often the biggest outpouring of relief in the shack instance is when someone you know lost a house, or a friend’s char lost everything. Then that small community of friends and family usually has incredible capacity to give. And it definitely happens. My char’s friend lost everything and within 2 weeks, she had a new shack courtesy of the government, and clothes, linen, a stove etc all donated by her employer and friends or friend’s employers. (and when it is a small group – there is no social media to fuel it so it is often more genuine)
Uhmm.. taxes? We do have to give if we don’t want to….just saying…
Brett/Fish: it is commendable that you have managed to handle such a sensitive exchange as calmly as what you have done. I take my hat off for you for starting a conversation which is constructive for all Cape Townians (white, black or brown). I have shared your blog on my wall. It is the least I felt I could do for now, beyond….you know loving my neighbor and paying taxes and e-tolls “and so on and so forth and stuff like that” (to quote our former president)… as I am out of the cow-ntry at the moment. Hopefully through your blog we can get more ‘new normal conversations’ going among ALL South Africans. Ultimately, that’s what’s needed.
Thanks.
I have really enjoyed reading these comments, I was reminded in reading some of the comments though that many of us white folks have forgotten that we arrived in SA from somewhere, many because our ancestors / relatives were looking for a better life (in the process subjugating the locals – topic for another day :)). This fire has drawn up strong responses from all sides, I personally sense that for those who have suffered in impoverished areas, that a sense of a historically collective memory has seen the money raised and the support given draw on old wounds, I find this truly heartbreaking, we need to find a way to collectively form new memories ones that do not dismiss the past but embrace them, heal wounds, and allow us to move forward together.
i love that idea and the picture that the phrase ‘the new normal’ gives – want to write something about that soon… collectively form new memories – beautiful!
Thanks Brett Anderson, for posting the unfriend out of context, I saw this due to not unfriend your other page which I will be doing in the next minute or two…. I unfriended you for many reason, but mostly due to you censoring posts on your page which you say you don’t do…you deleted 2 of my posts, your reason, you ended the conversation and in your words you even deleted your sister in laws post. But then why start the whole lot of crap here AGAIN!!!! I mean really you swing in the breeze one minute it’s okay to discuss the next it’s not. All I can tell you is you are naive and I find it offensive that you behave in a manner that you get it. You don’t…. was just wondering what happened to ‘ we are going to be living amongst the people????? Southfield is hardly Mannenburg’…… It’s very easy to think you have such a FANTASTIC view when you sit on the fence…. I may not be black coloured pink or purple. But my coloured husband of 15 years and the work we do everyday in the community gives me a heck of a better understanding and viewpoint than you claim to understand. Sort out your own white privilege before you force you propoganda down some unsuspecting persons throat!!!
hey Michelle – you are right that context is so completely important and i stand by the deletion of your posts on Facebook [which i explained – would have deleted anything after i asked for the conversation to be closed and people kept on adding stuff – was nothing personal]
What happened to ‘we are going to be living among the people’ [and absolutely Southfield cannot be compared to Mannenberg in that way although still is people who for the most part don’t look like us which is what we always spoke about when we were looking] is that we changed priorities while we were busy looking, realising that after almost 6 years of marriage where tbV and i have had quite intensive environments and contexts that we needed to have a season that is focused on our marriage and needing to guard and give space to build into that… so we moved from looking for more hectic places that might in themselves create extra stress to seeking a place that would feed our marriage well while still hoping it would be a fairly mixed environment as that is still important to us.
i am completely aware of so much of the privilege i carry in so many ways [not just race – being a white, able-bodied, heterosexual, christian male i tend to tick all or most of the boxes] and this conversation is always about us figuring out this stuff together – and am absolutely aware that i have so much more to learn than teach right now – and so there is an ongoing invitation for othersto join us as we try figure stuff out. That will continue and being a blog or a facebook post or whatever nothing is being forced down anyone’s throats – invitations are given and it is exciting when people take them on. Being a white woman married to a coloured man for 15 years i imagine you both have a lot to teach us all.
But to be honest if you go from someone commenting on a blog post to someone judging and accusing and going off at me after one misunderstanding, then i just see that as really unfortunate. The race/reconciliation conversation and lifestyle is a tough one to get right or even to get more right than it has been before and we are all going to need thick skin because misunderstanding will occur and we are going to offend [hopefully not intentionally] and we need to take time to ask questions and figure things out amicably before just writing people off and moving on.
All the best
brett fish